Roz the Diva: Pole Dance Strength and Inclusivity

In this episode of 'Science of Slink: The Evidence-Based Pole Podcast,' host Dr. Rosy Boa interviews Roz 'The Diva' Mays about her extensive journey in the pole fitness community. Roz shares her personal experiences of starting pole dancing 18 years ago, her evolution into teaching, and her dedication to promoting body positivity and inclusivity in fitness. They discuss the challenges and triumphs of teaching plus-size students, navigating goal-setting without focusing on weight loss, and the importance of finding joy in physical activities. Roz also offers insights into mastering the basic invert move in pole dancing and invites listeners to connect with her online for further guidance and inspiration.

Where to find Roz:

• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/rozthediva/

• Website (& newsletter signup): https://www.rozthediva.com/

00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome

00:36 Roz the Diva's Pole Journey

02:16 Challenges and Triumphs in Fitness

04:08 Creating Inclusive Fitness Spaces

06:01 Teaching and Impacting Lives

21:23 Mental Health and Pole Dancing

26:37 Setting Goals Beyond Weight Loss

31:51 Tips for Inverting in Pole

34:31 Conclusion and Where to Find Roz

Transcript

Rosy: [00:00:00] All right. Welcome to Science of Slink, the evidence-based pole podcast, uh, with me, your host, Dr. Rosy Boa. And today I have a guest that I actually don't think needs an introduction, but I'm gonna introduce you anyway. Um, I, if you don't already know who Roz the Diva, Roz Mays is I. I'm excited for you because she is a, a beacon in the pole community.

Uh, definitely someone that, uh, I really appreciate and have, uh, certainly learned from as an instructor and I. Wanted to let you also introduce yourself a little bit. So Roz, tell us about yourself, uh, and tell us a little bit about your pole and your larger fitness journey as well. Uh, because I think like a lot of folks, you started with pole and that was sort of your gateway. Do you wanna talk a little bit about yourself, your experience and your, your pole journey?

Roz: Sure thing. So first of all, thank you for having me. Second of all, I'm Raz. I am 41. [00:01:00] I'm from Brooklyn, New York. Woohoo. And I have been doing poll for 18 years.

So long, long damn time. And I've been teaching pole out of those 18 years. I've been teaching pole for almost 15 years now. And like you mentioned, pole was my gateway drug into doing fitness as a full-time career. And um, that's been going on for a co quite a few years now. And, I started pole because it was just a class on the gym schedule and I thought, wow, this sounds pretty cool.

Let me give it a shot. And, holy shit. Did I give it a shot? And, sorry, I don't know if I'm allowed to curse here. 

Rosy: Oh yeah, go ahead. 

Roz: Okay, good. So I thought, holy shit, this is the hardest thing I've ever done with my body. But it was also I couldn't lift my arms for a week after class. I was tired. I had no core.

I [00:02:00] was hungry, but it was also the best time I'd ever had, being tired and hungry and sore after the gym. So that's what pole meant to me in the early days and that's why I stuck around with it. Um, 'cause it was a good time failing. And I also had a history, like when I was younger I played soccer and softball all through middle and high school.

And it was I had a good time doing both, but, but there's also, you know, both of those have a running component to them and me and running never got along. It was always seen as like something. I was just never good. I was never fast. I was never quick. I was never agile. You know, especially living in a plus size body.

Uh, running was difficult very difficult for me, and there was no fun in it. So when I found [00:03:00] pole it was like, oh, this is a sport that has nothing to do with speed, and it has nothing to do with running laps around the gym. I could get behind this. And so that's, that's kind of how I got started with pole.

And so, like I mentioned, pole was my gateway drug into doing fitness as a full-time career. And so pole started as a hobby, then it moved on to a side hustle, and then, uh, it became my full-time hustle. And I knew I couldn't make a living in New York City just based on pole dancing alone. So that's when I got my personal training certification.

And I spend personal training clients for roughly 10 years now, and, uh, that's been going well. I love doing that. I love working with different kinds of bodies. Different kinds of people and more than anything, [00:04:00] just helping the underdog feel like they belong in the fitness world.

Rosy: Yeah. Yeah. It's so important. And I think it's something that I don't know, I, because that would've been like, what, 2011 in ish there. It's about when I. When you started teaching pole was about when I started doing pole. And that was at a time when there was sort of, I would say a wider, uh, so I might say acceptance, some might say co-option of, uh, you know, body positivity and body neutrality and more proactive.

Space creation for a wider range of bodies in fitness. Not that it's ever been like amazing, but it was better. Um, and I, I certainly in the poll space, I definitely think that's something that you've done a lot for, and we'll dig into that in a little bit. But I. Unfortunately seeing, uh, and maybe you've also experienced this, uh, a little bit of a swing the opposite way, and a return to diet culture, uh, and a return [00:05:00] to trying to make bodies the same cookie cutter shape, uh, and, uh, as an instructor, I think that's deeply harmful to students.

And also just been a, uh, even for myself, right, it's just like a struggle to get online and people being like, you have to be thin forever. And I, you know, I grew up in the nineties, that was very much the middle year at that time. Yeah, so all of that, I'm going back to the, the strange tangent that I had to say, like I said, I think that you have really been instrumental in making the pole community more accepting. I won't say that overall the industry is inclusive because unfortunately I, it just isn't. Uh, but it's gotten better. And I would love to hear a little bit more about the work that you've done there, and then some of the challenges that you faced, both as a student who maybe, you know, accommodations that you weren't given that now as an instructor with a lot more knowledge, you probably would.

Uh, and also as an instructor, what are some, some hurdles that you've noticed your your students running into that [00:06:00] you've helped them over? 

Roz: Sure. So, I have, I grew up on the pole, grew up on the pole. I was already a grown ass human, but grew up on a pole with some of the best instructors that existed.

Um, one of the reasons why I hold them so dearly to me is because they didn't let me use my weights as an excuse not to try and. That was big because there were times where I would look at movements and I would say, there's no way I can get my body into that. Like, what's the point? And I was still expected that I was going to at least try to get some version of that movement.

And that was big because now with my own students, I expect them to try. In some capacity, even if they get step one out of Step 50, [00:07:00] then I still expect them to try. So shout out to all my New York poll instructors and with my students. I did not set out necessarily to represent. Or to teach or to specialize in teaching plus size bodies.

But that's what ended up happening because I personally, I've almost always been the largest person in the room during fitness and it hasn't stopped me, but I'm one of the few, I'm the exception to the rule. That, you know, I just kind of accepted this is I'm gonna be the slowest person. I'm gonna be the biggest person.

'cause that's, I was always you, that's just how I grew up as being the slowest and the biggest. It didn't stop me from participating in sports, but there was always like, I always felt like there was a limit to how much I could contribute meaningfully. I was slower and [00:08:00] bigger, um, particularly because I was bigger and I never, ever had any or saw any female athletes my size growing up.

And I really wish that I had, I think it would've had a profound impact on my self-esteem and on the way that I valued myself as an athlete. If I had seen different women and girls doing different kinds of sports I didn't know I was allowed to be strong. I did not know that strength was a thing until pole really came around and that it's usually a lot of your own body weight to do stuff.

Um, well using pretty much all your body weight to do things. So that was also a significant moment, like an aha moment for me. And then. But going back to like my students [00:09:00] while I didn't set out to represent or to specialize in teaching plus size students, that's what happened because I myself am plus size and there's not a lot of us in leadership positions.

Um, there are very few of us. In any sort of leadership position. So my students would tell me, you know, they would come sometimes from over an hour away for class. And I'm like, there's gotta be a class closer to you. Why are you coming to my class? And they would tell me, well, because you look like me.

I'm not the only person in the room now who looks like me. And if you can do it, then I can do it. And so that's how we got started. Building this kind of plus size coalition and bringing it back to pole. I started with Dangerous Curves in 2011, I believe it was, [00:10:00] uh, the sum August of 2011. It was the first plus size pole dancing competition that existed and to my knowledge at least, it was the first one.

And I had people from six different states come and be a part of the show. And that was a really big deal for me because it was just kind of like something we did in the studio and it was pretty awesome. And, uh, so that was a another big moment for me and I guess really kind of for the industry too, since everybody was, since there was so many different people.

That was a part of Dangerous Curves. And then, um, I started teaching one of my signature workshops, which was Coaching Plus Size pulled answers and. I've been teaching some iteration of that for at least 10 [00:11:00] years, if not a little bit more. And it has evolved. It has changed, it has done all the things that you're supposed to do over the years, but that's, um, that's where I'm at right now and that's, that's where I think I make the biggest impact is through, coach is still helping other instructors learn how to work with larger bodies in pole. And that was a long winding answer. I hope, I hope people out there were able to follow that. 'cause I was barely following myself. 

Rosy: Uh, no, no, I think that was, uh, I asked you a long winding question. I think you hit all the highlights.

Yeah. Yeah. Something you, you, you said in there, you talked about, really stuck out to me. And that's, that you were allowed to be strong because the, you know, sort of the aspects of fitness that you've, you've discussed a lot, have really been around, you know, speed, agility, athleticism and of course, frequent listeners, the podcast know this.

[00:12:00] There are other ones as well, right? We've got like balance, we've got flexibility, we've got strength, um, all these different sort of. Aspects of, of being able to do things in your body. And uh, that especially thinking about, what body types, right? What body shapes, what body, you know, sort of.

The everyone's body's gonna be a little bit different, right? Different sports are going to place different demands on the body. Some body shapes are going to show up more in higher levels of some sports than others. So, for example, thinking about like shot put if you, if you watched a women's shot put at the last Olympics really just physically powerful women.

Just, you know, given that they're all but a very different body shape from, let's say the marathon runners, right? Um, yes. And partially that's like what you're doing, but partially that's also your, your body shape. Uh. And thinking about like, what do we feel particularly, you know, as, as women, uh, what do we feel allowed to do?

What do we feel allowed to explore? What are sort of the societal pressures? And I think that pole can [00:13:00] be a place of real rebellion against that. Not just, you know, sort of the, the taboo, uh, sex work aligned nature of the movement, right? Which is certainly part of it, certainly part of the appeal, but also, uh, being able to do things with our body or not.

You know, four hours of cardio. 

Roz: Yes, definitely. The, the strength aspect, the pulling myself up, the climbing, the pole, swinging physically around the pole, all of that was. A big, big reason why I stayed with pole is because I never used my body in those capacities before. And it was new, it was very hard.

But it was also just very like interesting and fascinating to me.

Rosy: Yeah. Yeah. I. Likewise, when I started, everything was hard. I mean, I think, uh, unless you were coming to poll from, you know, I guess like circus, you were already doing a bunch of aerial. I think for most of us, our first poll [00:14:00] class was just, uh, really fucking hard. It's a hard discipline. It's not easy.

But I agree that part of the challenge and part of what has keep me coming back to PO is also that like. Intellectual kind of puzzle solving part of it. Like how, okay, so I wanna do this, how am I gonna get there? Um, and as a teacher, you get that even more. 'cause it's not just how am I gonna get there, but how am I going to help everybody who's coming in with different backgrounds, different, you know, abilities and, focus, sorry, I was talking to the camera there. Uh, different abilities, different we talked about like you, I've got some students that are super flexible. I all students that are hyper, well, maybe too flexible or some that are like very strong or will have specific types of strength that are gonna make some movements easier and not others.

Um, and really addressing that diversity of need and varying degrees of. I dunno, just stuff that people are coming in with, right? Like ev everyone's got their own stuff going on. They're not gonna have the same experience. I have found that as an instructor, that sort of like puzzle, [00:15:00] figuring out, okay, what are the pathways that are gonna work for most people?

And if there's somebody that doesn't work for, how can I, you know, adjust and change this, uh, to make sure that everyone is challenging themself and doing fun, cool stuff and nobody just gets. Left alone in the corner of the classroom. I teach online, but like metaphorically just left alone in the corner of the classroom because the teacher is, you know, maybe a little bit scared, doesn't feel prepared.

I think takes that, the intellectual level on that sort of like figuring stuff out to the next level. 'cause there's so many more things to. Fit together. Puzzle thesis. Sorry. We're recording this in the morning. Uh, for folks who are, who, folks who are listening. So I have not yet held all my coffee, but Roz, I'm interested if that has also been your experience moving from doing in your body to teaching for other bodies.

Roz: Yes. So teaching is the greatest thing, one of the greatest things to ever happen to me. I did not know. I was supposed to be a, a teacher in this [00:16:00] capacity until I started doing it and I started teaching. Um, like I said, it was February of 2011 when I started teaching and. I started because I was in a show, a local show in New York City whole show, and somebody was opening a new studio and they saw me performing and they asked if I was a teacher or if I was interested in teaching after they saw me perform, and I jumped all over it.

I'd been polling for about three and a half years previously and didn't have any teaching experience, but was like dying. Loved, was dreaming of getting in front of a classroom. And so, uh, I started in February, 2011 at Sacred. Which now unfortunately is closed, but still is gonna hold a forever space in my [00:17:00] heart because it was the first place that I was able to teach.

And the first class that I ever taught was only supposed to be 30 minutes. It was kind of like a teaser class or meant to be a teaser class. And I definitely taught for an hour. If not a little bit more. Um, and that was also for foreshadowing the fact that I would hardly stick to a clock for most of my teaching.

Now I'm much better. There's schedules, there's, I can't just teach until I don't feel like teaching. Because there's classes that come after me and there's people that need the space. So I'm definitely like conscious of that. But before, when there was nothing else happening after my classes, man, oh man, we'd be dancing for like two hours at a time.

We also, one of the reasons too, besides the fact that I just love teaching [00:18:00] we would have these long. Classes because we only had, in the studio that I was at, we only had four polls and we would have like 20 people show up to class. Wow. So, yes. So this is also in the much earlier days before we realized that as far too many people to show up for a class.

So we would, so I was like, well, listen, I don't wanna turn anybody away. So if you all wanna rock with me for an extra half hour, whatever, I'll make sure everybody gets enough whole time. But you just gotta be patient. And so that was like the deal that everyone, that we all struck with each other, um, and it worked and we, you know, now I wouldn't have more than two people per whole.

Uh, which is absolutely fine to have, but you know, before, but I think also because when I was a student starting out, we also had a limited [00:19:00] number of polls and we would be sharing the polls with like five, sometimes six people on a Friday night. And you know, now that seems crazy, but before that was perfectly normal for us.

And 'cause nobody wanted to leave the class. So we all just did what we had to do. We stuck it out, we hung out. We were just patient with each other and it worked. So that's kind of how I, that was my introduction to poll sharing. And so that's what I continued doing for quite a while. And you know, teaching hits personally for me because.

I've always, as I've kind of hinted at previously in some of my answers to you, is that I've always felt like an outcast of sorts, and I felt like an underdog for sure and felt that way. Being black and being plus-sized, you know, not being swift and agile. I always [00:20:00] felt like. There was only but so much positivity and progress I could bring to sports because of how my body was shaped.

And I remember even though nobody ever necessarily like teased me for my size, thank goodness or you know, said, particularly mean things to me. I always said those things to myself and. I know what it feels like to feel like shit about your body, and I don't want other people feeling that same way.

So that's been the biggest motivation that I have to my biggest motivation to feel, to help others feel less otherly. I want them to understand the contributions that they can make to poll. I want them to or be beyond pole, right? But pole just, uh, it's the sport of the day, sport of my [00:21:00] day. So I want them to see that there's many ways to be a successful athlete and that it doesn't have to just be the person that does the craziest tricks and the most wild.

Most wild body positions. There's so many ways to be successful and I just want people to feel that success. 

Rosy: Yeah. Yeah. I think a lot of the things you brought up are things that a lot of folks struggle with, and I'm curious, do you have any, um, specific things that you did to help yourself get past that, that self criticism?

Roz: I would say, you know,

I'm not sure if I'm past the self-criticism to be quite honest. I think I have learned to deal with it and I try not to make decisions based on the negative self-criticism, criticism, but I don't, I'm hesitant to say that I'm past it. Um. Much to my, much to my dismay. [00:22:00] I would love to say that I've figured out the secret to loving myself and loving one's body and that whole deal.

But I'm very much still a work in progress. Work in progress. So, um, oh gosh. I think one thing that helped me though. Pole dancing was incredibly helpful because in making progress with making peace with myself, because it wasn't about how I looked, it was about what I could do. And thus far as an adult, I'd started going to the gym and working out for aesthetic purposes.

I wanted to lose weight primarily, and that was what got me into the gym. But it's not what kept me there, what kept me there, I think, um, a lot of it was pole dancing and, what kept me in the gym was having fun first and foremost. [00:23:00] And I think fun is really underrated as an adult, because as adults we're not gonna do shit that we don't want to and pay for it.

Does this look like the dentist office? No. You wanna, you should enjoy what you are doing. You know, there'll be hard times, of course, but you should at least like what's going on. And because then you are more likely to stick with it. That was big. Also in regards to my mental health and poll poll was very significant because I started doing poll on a Friday afternoon, Friday evening, um, before pole.

I would go to therapy. I'd go to therapy, and these were the early years of therapy. So they were just like ugly tears. All the time about a whole lot of stuff, and so I would come out of therapy almost like in a daze, like anybody who's kind of been in almost like you're crawling [00:24:00] out of a tear coma.

You're just kind of like a little disoriented. Emotions are still flying all over the place, but therapy session is done, so you're trying to kind of get back to a homeostasis level. I would do poll afterwards after therapy, and it helped me get back to that homeostasis level. I didn't because it was somebody else.

I just, I didn't have to think that much and I could follow along other people and they would take the lead, so, so I think that's how pole helped me heal from the inside out. 

Rosy: Yeah, I like that both the. I'm imagining, the social component, you're going and hang out with other people. The fun component, you are having a nice time, you're doing something that you enjoy.

Hopefully if you're listening to this and you're doing poll, you're enjoying poll. And I'm just gonna say flat out, I, I know it's both of our jobs. If you're not enjoying poll, you're allowed to quit. Yes, you can do that at any time. Um. Then also the, like the physical aspect, right? Like coming from, you know, [00:25:00] emotion, brain and then back down into the body.

And really bringing, that's something that's been really powerful for me as well has been. Using pole as a tool to help notice and connect with my body. 'Cause I am, I'm sure like many of y'all, uh, perhaps you as well, Roz, I'm an intellectual. I will think about my emotions a lot and, uh, it turns out that that's not actually 

Roz:super helpful.

Ooh. I want a label for all of my emotions. I wanna know where they came from. I wanna know what's feeding them. I absolutely do all of that. 

Rosy: At some point though, you do have to feel them. As it turns out, you can't think your way out of that. Dang it. 

Roz: No. 

Rosy: So, I know we're coming up to the new year getting there. Mm. As a fitness professional. And my, my studio is specifically, uh, I am, I'm anti diet. It's not a diet friendly space. Uh, so I'm always, this I know can be a challenging time for folks. Who are [00:26:00] getting a lot of messaging around you should set New Year's goals and they should be about how to make your body smaller and different, uh, and you should look like this other person that you are not.

And I find this to be a challenging part of the year for just handling emotions around, you know, a body's food expectations, outside pressure. And I think that can also show up. More than in other spaces in fitness spaces. Uh, and I wonder if you have any things that you think about for setting your own goals or any recommendations that you give to, to your students or your clients.

Of course. 'cause you're your personal trainer as well. Around setting goals aside from weight loss, and I understand some people may have weight loss goals, and that's perfectly fine. Um, that's just, again not something we, we do at my studio. I know that's like a huge can of worms that I'm just like opening and handing to you, but dig in there.

Tell us, tell us what your worms are. 

Roz: I'm here. I'm here for it. So, like I [00:27:00] mentioned a few moments ago weight loss and the desire to be in a smaller body was what got me started in the gym in the first place. But it's not what's kept me there for nearly 20 years. I think goals. You know, goals are all right, but I also think they're partially overrated because I think with a fitness goal, the idea is that once you hit that goal, then what happens?

So there's more to, excuse me. Bless you. Thank you. There's more to fitness. Then reaching certain milestones, certain goals, and certain milestones. Especially when it comes to say, weight loss. And I have no problem with weight loss, I still wrestle with do I wanna lose weight? Am I gonna make an effort to lose weight?

And then sometimes I'm like, fuck that weight loss. I'm fine. But then other times I'm like, fuck me [00:28:00] instead. So I got a lot of demons in my weight, admittedly. But I think,

I think setting goals can be helpful definitely sometimes. Um, one of the big goals that I had set for myself, um, over the last couple years was to deadlift 300 pounds. And what was nice about that having that goal is that it gave me a focus. It gave me something to do, it gave me something to work towards.

And so on days when I either didn't feel like it or days when I did feel like it, I, I had a focus in the gym. That was something beyond aesthetics. And so that was good. And it also gave me like directions like, all right, this is how I'm gonna train. This is what I'm gonna try to do because these are the skills that I need to, you know, be able to lift deadlift 300 [00:29:00] pounds.

So that was cool. But for me personally I remember once I reached that point I deadlifted actually 305 pounds and that was an enormous accomplishment and I felt absolutely terrific about it. But I also, for me, I was like, alright, now I'm kind of done deadlifting. For a while. So I took a break. I'm slowly getting back into it probably like a year later, but, um, it took quite a while for me to get back into it.

So, so rather than have a goal that is one particular endpoint, I wonder if it would be more productive to have a goal that's like, let's enjoy the journey. And so there's no, there's no one endpoint. There's different things that you can, but you can still create a workout routine that is centered on joy [00:30:00] and centered on happiness and centered on This is fun, fun, fun.

So that's kind of how I see goal setting. I see goals as like. They're cool sometimes and they can give you a lot of structure. But also for me, like once I hit my goals, I was like, alright, now that goal is dead to me. What do I do now? Uh, you can set more goals but there's also, you know, the feeling of constantly chasing something and what happens if you never reach that goal?

Is all of your time and effort, is it worth it? Otherwise what's up, what's going on with that? So I'm a fan of light goals, uncomplicated goals, like I said, that focus on the journey rather than one particular outcome. 

Rosy: Yeah. Yeah. I like that. And when I've, I mean, I I'm starting to do business planning for next years, I'm sure, but most people who run businesses do.

Um, one thing [00:31:00] that I've really been thinking about is what can I do to help myself stay focused? And if I focus on that thing, I will do more than I would have otherwise. And I think the sort of the. I dunno if it's the goal, but like the guidance, right? Like thinking about, okay, uh, I wanna have fun, you know, if I, if I center that, what can I do that I wouldn't have otherwise?

Uh, or just like in my personal life, a big thing that I've been focusing on this year is I wanted to make more things like physically with my hands. And I've done a lot of things because I had that overall guidance. And when I was like, okay, I've got some free time, what do I wanna do? I could be like, oh yeah, that's right.

I had that thing that I wanted more of, so I'm gonna focus on that. And I think that can be a really powerful tool. So yeah. Thanks for making that up, for 

Roz: sure. Absolutely. Yeah. 

Rosy: Speaking of end points I've got one more question for you and then we'll wrap up.

Pole goals. One goal that I think a lot of folks have, and I know 'cause my students bring it up quite a bit, is inverting and the basic invert. Um, [00:32:00] which actually this month in my studio we're getting upside down and I think we have talked about the basic invert one time in any of my classes and we'd be doing a bunch of other stuff as well.

But I know that a lot of people do want to learn that. What are your just like quick and dirty basic invert tips, uh, for someone who's like, this is absolutely the thing that I want to do and I cannot be dissuaded from it. 

Roz: Sure. So recognizing with inverting specifically you don't need to merely stand there and kick up.

An invert. That is one way to get your ass over your head. Another way is to climb the pole and then drop into an inverted position. That is my, that is how I have gotten into inverts since the beginning of time. Um, there was a time where I was kicking up into my inverts, and that's absolutely fine. Um, because that's also, that's a big deal when you're able to do that.

But recognizing that [00:33:00] there's that's merely one way. There's more ways than that. To get yourself, to get the butt over the head, and it is one of the hardest things that you will ever ask someone to do, particularly plus sizers. It's going to be extra difficult for us, but it doesn't mean that it's impossible.

It just means that it's going to take longer. I have come across people where it's they, it's taking them three or four classes. To try to invert and they get it. And then I've also come across people where it's been three or four years and they're still working towards their invert. I would also take a step back from all this, and I would ask them why do they want to get a particular move, like an invert?

Are you doing it because you feel like you have to, do you feel pressured to, or is it something that you genuinely want to do? If it's something that you feel pressured towards doing and something that you don't really care that much about, don't do it. No [00:34:00] worries. Who cares? This is your sport. But if it's something that you genuinely want to do for whatever reason then give yourself a lot of time.

Especially if you're living in a marginalized body, give yourself way more time than you expect. And that will go very far. 

Rosy: Yeah, I think that's all, all very solid advice. And I think it took me a couple years. Couple years to start. Yeah. And I was trying Oh, yep. All right. Well, I wanna be, uh, mindful of your time, uh, but before we wrap up where can folks find you online?

Uh, and is there anything that you, you'd like to pitch? 

Roz: Sure. So people can find me at ro the diva. That's ROZ, the diva. That's pretty much everywhere. Um, I'm on Instagram, I have a newsletter, I have a website. I got the whole shebang bang. So definitely sign up for my newsletters. So [00:35:00] you'll find out where my workshops are going to be and where I'm traveling to next, and what I'm up to.

Follow me on Instagram for the day-to-day shenanigans of my life. Showing a little couple like behind the scenes work. And then you can also, uh, slide in my dms with any questions, any comments, or if you want me to come to your studio please let me know. I'm now booking for 2026, so hit me up and, uh, let's rock together.

Yeah. 

Rosy: Thank you. Thanks so much for joining today. Roz folks who are listening, I hope that you have, uh, taken away some, some little tidbits, some little, uh, pearls of wisdom to, to stick in your bag and pull out later. And I look forward to talking with y'all very soon in the next episode. Bye bye.